How to make Honey Oil

The Boffo Butane-PVC Hash Oil Extractor
Trash leaf to honey oil in minutes

by Indra

This method has its basis in a fascinating industrial extractionmethod known as Supercritical Fluid Extraction. It uses totally over-the-counter butane gas (8 oz can, camping supply store,US$4.50)as the extraction solvent, and requires nothing even remotely suspicious or difficult to purchase. The only other thing needed isabout $2.00 worth of PVC pipe: a section 1.5 (one and a half) feet long and 1 & 3/4" diameter (outer diameter I believe), and two end caps. Threaded PVC is not necessary.

For reasons not yet clear to those of us investigating these things"unofficially," butane and CO2 (and perhaps other gas/solvents with similar ultra-low-boiling properties) selectively solvate the desirable fraction(s) of cannabis oils, pulling out only a beautiful amber "honey oil" and leaving the undesirable vegetative oils, waxes, chlorophyll, etc. behind in the plant matter. Even unsmokeable shade leaves produce a wonderfully clean and potent gold oil with this method.(So if you grow save those shade leaves!) I have every reason to suspect that this would work splendidly to extract a super-strong and tasty oil from gross, unpalatable "schwag" commercial pot too, and of course, the better grade of herb you put it in, the better the resulting oil.

METHOD

Over approximately five to eight minutes, the butane extract willfinish draining from the pipe to thereceiving vessel. Maintaincaution with the pipe, however, since there is a lot of residualbutane stillevaporating from within the pipe (notice the stream of fumescoming from the top hole). When it slows down to a drop every fewseconds, you can tap on the top hole with your finger and it willhelp push the last of the liquid butane out (or one can gently blow intothe top hole to do the same thing). Remember, NO SMOKING, unless youwish to immolate yourself in grand fashion.

Being very low-boiling and volatile, the collected butane will likely begin boiling at ambient temperature.

The receiving vessel will gradually frost up as the butane cools it down, slowing down its rate of evaporation, but you can speed this up again simply by holding it in your hands. A better way is to set it in a saucepan containing a little bit of warm water. Watch the butane start bubbling madly with the increase in temperature and marvel at its low boiling point. Again, be doing this outdoors with a nice breeze! It takes about 20 minutes or so to allow the butane to evaporate, or quicker if you help it along. You are left with a deep amber, almost orange oil of amazing purity.

The best way to collect and store the oil is probably to let all of the butane evaporate off and then redissolve the oil in some anhydrous or high-% alcohol, and then pour this into a vial and let it sit out for a day or two to allow the alcohol to evaporate. Trying to transfer the oil into a small container while it is still solvated by the butane is too risky. I learned the hard way about this, thanks to the volatile temperament of butane. I had filled a vial almost all the way to the top and was preparing to drop those last couple drops in, so that cleverly, I could let the last of the butane evaporate from the vial and the oil would all be neatly contained. But when the last drop hit the mother lode in the vial, it changed the temperature of the solution in the vial upward by a hair and it all "superboiled" out of the vial and onto my fingers, which of course startled me and caused me to drop the vial. I suggest dissolving it in alcohol as I mentioned above. If you can get pure or 99% isopropanol (isopropyl), use it, because THC's photosensitivity reportedly does not occur in isopropanol.

The final product is a deep yellow-amber oil of the highest quality, incredibly pure and potent. I remember well some of the prime "honey oil" hash oils that hit the market in the late 1970s, and this stuff stands up to (if not exceeds) any of them. It's amazing how this method extracts only the good fraction and leaves the junk in the weed. But that's exactly what it does. Note also that this oil has a somewhat higher melt/vaporization point than traditional hash oils; the traditional dispensing method (dipping a needle or paper clip in, getting some goop on the end, and warming it with a flame to get it to drip off into your bowl) still works with this stuff, but it seems you have to be more careful with it because it doesn't heat to liquid state as quickly or in the same manner, and it can more easily be allowed to burn up on your needle. So be careful.

Those who prefer a tincture-like preparation can of course thin the product a little with a bit of warm high-percentage alcohol like Everclear or 90-whatever-% isopropyl, then drop it onto buds or let a joint absorb some, then let the alcohol evaporate. I also observed that unlike hash oil derived from traditional methods, this product is not immediately soluble in room-temp alcohol; it needed to be warmed before it dissolved fully.

So there it is. Spread the word far and wide: honey oil is BACK

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Better hash oil extraction Part II

Hey bees,
thought I should post something useful before I start asking the Q's, so here goes:

A far superior ( quality, easiness ) hash oil extraction to acetone / alcohols / pet. ether etc uses butane ( lighter gas refills: $4 )

The butane/hash-oil comes out the other end and can be collected in a bowl where it will boil furiously till the butane is gone. ( the tube will get VERY COLD and ice will form on the outside. The low temps prevent the butane from dissolving some tars etc giving a BEAUTIFUL GOLDEN OIL ( not unlike honey :) in consistency / colour )

Can someone give it a shot using Propane ( as this would be much cheaper ) & post the result?

Has anybody ever extracted DMT from Acacia Sophorae(Oz "Coast Wattle",common on dunes,straggly thing,looks like bittu but has yellow flowers?

PS Sorry Pimps if this isnt the right forum, I wasnt sure where to post it

 
Author Topic: THC oil extraction via butane "pipe bomb"
Dope Amine
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posted 04-09-2000 08:29 PM
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Methyl Man
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Okay here's the scoop. A catholic priest who lives on my street, Father Boyfondler, has done this method many times. He says your pipe is a bit long and skinny, yes, but it shouldn't matter. The main thing is that the butane moves down through it and out the bottom. Don't pack the herb in there, just keep tapping it and let it settle. Give yourself a couple inches of headroom at the top so the gas can enter. Make sure your butane is NOT of the odorized variety (the can should say "odorant added" if it is). If it is, the product will have a stinky sulfur taste and odor. I know, because I watched the good father make this mistake his first time and use butane from the camping supply store. He still worries about what he may have been smoking along with the THC there before he figured out his mistake. The only source for NON-odorized butane I know of is those cans used for cigarette lighter refill. They are usually yellow and blue and say "Clipper" on them for the brand name.
Regarding your question about the hole size etc.: no, it's no problem because the butane liquifies in there and moves down the pipe as a liquid. It exits as a liquid too, but quickly starts boiling at ambient temp since it is so volatile. Father Boyfondler likes to place the receiving beaker in a saucepan of hot water to speed up this evaporation.

Good luck my son...

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CHEMMAN
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posted 04-10-2000 05:55 AM
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I have witnessed the butane method.I am curious how one would go putting green stock in a vessel,and pumping steam thru to steam distill the oil.May bee trying this soon.

Dope Amine
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posted 04-10-2000 05:56 PM
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Thanx Methyl Man. One question though, what do you think would be the ideal diameter and length? The reason I used 1 inch diameter and 2 ft. length instead of say, 2 inch diameter and 1 ft. length is because I figured that with a smaller diameter more fluid will run through a given area of the pipe.

LaBTop
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posted 04-10-2000 07:35 PM
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Think iso-butane. LT/
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Dope Amine
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posted 04-10-2000 08:27 PM
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Wait r u trying to say I am supposed to use iso-butane, not regular butane?

Well, I just got back from the field were I had attempted to do the extraction. It didn't work. The first foot of metal pipe frosted over, but not the second foot. This is where I feel my problem is. I pumped in 120 g of BUTANE, but the bottom half never got cold enough to keep the butane liquid. Damn, it is going to take a long fucking time to procesess all my herb if I have to do it in batches that fit in a 1 in. diameter by 1 ft. pipe. Methyl man, you said that maybe I should use a wider pipe. Do you think my problem is what I think it is, because if it were so, then I would think widening the pipe would cause the same problem as having it be too long?

Methyl Man
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posted 04-10-2000 11:15 PM
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Mr. Amine:
About isobutane, perhaps LT knows that it works even better. I don't know. But butane works fine, believe me. Plus (assuming you're in the US), I don't think you can get OTC isobutane with no additives very easily at all.

Now, relax... your results there sound like you just didn't have enough butane. Did you notice it back-spewing as a gas out of the entrance hole at all? Possibly, you packed the weed too tight in there and the problem is that the butane was not able to move freely enough through the pipe and you lost it out the top hole. Whatever the problem was, it was something simple and I can assure you the method works well and is very easy. Look at the simple physics involved and figure out what the hangup is.

I think the pipe that the padre uses (PVC, yuck) is about 1.5 ft long with 3-inch diameter. If that's not exactly it, it's damn close. And that works great for him, but he has to use two 300mL cans of butane to really extract well the large load of leaf in there. What size (in mL) was the can of butane you used?

Methyl Man
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posted 04-10-2000 11:21 PM
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By the way, it's really not the cold temp that's keeping the butane liquid---it's the confinement. Think about a cigarette lighter... it doesn't have to be cold to work. It's the fact that the butane can't get out quickly that keeps it liquid. Similarly, when you have it confined in the pipe, it's seeking the bottom holes but has to get by the weed first (forgot to tell you it's a good idea to plug the top hole with your finger after injecting the butane and while waiting for it to exit out the bottom), thereby effecting the extraction.
Try again, you'll nail it.

Dope Amine
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posted 04-11-2000 02:20 PM
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Thanks Man. Yea I figured I should plug the top hole when I was doing it. My butane cans are closer to 50 ml although I'm not sure cuz it's all desribed in weight and I'm not about to go look that shit up. The name on the can is Bernz-O-matic. Where the fuck do ya find 300 ml cans of butane? My physics problem is that since there are 3 holes for the exit and thus 3 times the area of the entering hole, this would make it a problem with maintaining the needed pressure. Maybe packing the weed very tight, but barely not too tight is the optimal setup. And what about pluging the exit holes while filling? Oh well, I'm going to go try 1 ft with two of those cans right now.

Methyl Man
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Oh man, 50 mL isn't anywhere near enough. You need the shit to come dribbling out hard out of there when it finally gets to the bottom. You need to basically *soak* the material inside for the extraction, that's the idea.
And BTW, actual pressure isn't part of this. You're not trying to contain pressure. The confinement of the pipe is enough to keep it from gassing out. Here's something important I should have added: you need to put in enough butane so that you have barely finished injecting it, or maybe are still injecting it, when it starts coming out of the bottom. That's why you need a big can or two of butane. Father Boyfondler gets his from liquor stores and cigarette shops.

If you can only get ~50 mL cans, have 10 of them ready and do 'em all in rapid succession! The butane coming out the bottom into your receiving container (glass beaker!) should be a pale, piss-yellow like color.

Dope Amine
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posted 04-11-2000 08:56 PM
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I am missing something cuz the butane has never dripped out. It sure as hell gasses out though. I went out to the field and I couldn't separate the two 1 ft. lengths of pipe cuz they were screwed together too tight. So, I tried two cans with 2 ft. and it didn't work. I got the pipes separated and I'm gonna steal 5 of those cans tomorrow and do it on a 1 ft. piece. Thanks for all the interest. I'm not giving up.

Sumerian
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posted 04-12-2000 10:05 AM
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A straight non-polar solvent extraction will give you a better yield of oil and much cheaper I might add. Have tried both,butane is novel in approach and its selectivity is apparent,but requires multiple extractions to get all the oil. Refluxing material in non-polar solvent,filter,evap. will give you much higher yields. Starting material that is steeped in a large excess of hot water first (de-carboxylation) ~30min, then dried and used will help yields also.

LaBTop
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posted 04-12-2000 12:29 PM
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NO ! Did you ever try? LT/
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Dope Amine
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Methyl Man, you are my homie! Thanx so much for the encouragement. I just came back from doing a tightly packed (with leaf) 1 ft by 1 in (diameter) tube using three of the bottles described before. It was great! I tried to keep the bottom plugged with my finger figuring that this would keep the pressure higher and thus more liquid butane. All of the sudden my finger couldn't hold anymore and the bottom exploded with beutiful gold oil into my pyrex dish! By halfway through the third can the butane started to come out clear and I knew that the job was done . This method is the shit because you get the purest in a matter of minutes. Everyone should extract THC and maybe even salvorin A this way. Fuck evaporating off solvents!

Dope Amine
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posted 04-14-2000 05:43 PM
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Oh one last thing, butane does naturally smell doesn't it? I didn't see a warning on the can, but I could smell somethin'. But it wasn't a super strong odor.

Methyl Man
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Yeah I think butane has a natural odor that is pretty weak, and hard to describe. The main thing is that once it's evap'd off you shouldn't smell any kind of stinky sulfur-like odor, or taste/smell it in the smoked product.
So that's great, you got the hang of it now. I suggest getting a much wider pipe, like 3", to make loading and emptying the thing a lot easier.

One thing that's important that hasn't really been said about all this is that people really should stop smoking pot plant matter, as it's so harmful to the lungs. Once you start smoking the oil only for a while, you'll see how much damage you were doing with the burning plant just to get the oil coating the outside (aka resin).

HASH OIL FOREVER!!

Dope Amine
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Agreed Methyl Man. That is the only thing that ever really bothers me about my THC ingestion. I sometimes get really stoned, and then I feel guilty about my lungs.
-DA

LaBTop
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Here, another one:
freejon
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This is my original post and idea.
Please pass it on.
there will be no interference from frozen material, you cannot pack the pipe hard enough. I did this as a first with grass(pot) for the oil then for dmt it works like a charm.
Nothing will impead you if you do as posted..
It is the BEAST extraction method in the world. You can use carbon dioxide gas as well.
Please do not assume that anything will go wrong with the way posted, those who have not tried it will winder all day what can go wrong the rest of us will be too high to care..................freejon(=Gyrogearloose) LT/
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Dope Amine
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I agree, this method is the shit! I am going to do it with salvia divinorium leaves and then maybe some phalaris grass after I finish converting all my fluffy bud and leaf into a GOLDEN OIL. I want to isomerize all of my oil and then turn atleast part of it into its acetate. If anyone has any experience or know how with the acetate part (using acetic anhydride) their comments would be appreciated. My one problem with the method is that I feel a bit guilty having stolen about 20 butane refillers (60 mL) and I still have not found a good source for a larger size. Today, I called all of the camping supply places around and they only had isobutane or a butane/propane mix. I think I'd prefer n-butane over isobutane as n-butane's bp is -.45 deg. C, while iso is -11.7 deg. C (less gas wasted).

Dope Amine
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posted 04-19-2000 02:36 AM
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LT, would you care to disagree about isobutane?

LaBTop
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posted 04-20-2000 12:22 AM
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Good, a little example:
put 1 cm3 dry-ice and 1cm3 water-ice beside eachother in the sun.
Guess which one is gone the first, and which one stays a fluid the longest.
Capice? Now get your dammn iso-butane. LT/
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Starlite
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Hate to rain on the pvc parade, but blow butane through your pipe before you load it. I discovered that it welds the threads shut... either it leaches some plasticizer that gets through onto the threads or it melts them a bit...either way, they froze up tight... use stainless

LaBTop
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Use enough teflon-tape on the threads, and then high-vacuum grease on that. LT/
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Dope Amine
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I have found that it is impossible to open the pipe right after doing an extraction just b/c it's so damn cold. I use pvc caps and an iron tube. Once it warms up, it is much easier.
LT, call me dense, but I didn't understand how your dry ice example had anything to do with iso-butane. If I do it with iso-butane, I will have to make a new and improved setup. I am not complaining about this because the iso tanks are much larger and thus my tube will get to be much larger, holding more plant matter. But, I will have to fit my cap with a screw on fitting for the threaded part on the iso tank.

God I love having a GOLDEN THC oil. So pure and good. I am going to isomerize it very soon. It is hard to hold off on using it although I know I should wait until after isomerization. Anybody got instructions/tips on making the acetate?

Dope Amine
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One thing I will add is that I think it is very important to plug up the bottom holes with your finger when first loading with butane. This increases the pressure and thus increases the ammount of liquid butane in the tube. I have not plugged the tube and gone through 2 whole canisters with nothing but gas coming out. Then I have plugged the tube initially and about 2/3 through the first canister, my finger pops off as oil explodes from the bottom.

Krash_X
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Does this method work on salvia?

Dope Amine
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Don't know for sure YET.

Powderking
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get 1ft pvc pipe put end caps on both ends drill a fee holes in one end 1 single in the other mull up gear pack in pipe atatch butane to singe hole and hold down untill empty collect thc and butane out of bottom butane will evaperate easy leeving THC YEAAAAAAAA WILL WORK HAVE DONE IT

Hey peoples. Ok, the process has been perfected. The 50 ml cans that I got can work fine. Use an iron pipe 1 in. in diameter with the caps with holes as described in the post of mine above. You have to use 3 x 50 ml cans to do between 1 and 2 foot lengths of pipe depending on how much oil is in your material. IMPORTANT: It is critical that you cover the bottom 3 holes with your thumb so that pressure builds up inside the pipe. Otherwise, it won't remain a liqid. I usually emty out one can and get halfway through the next before my thumb can nolonger hold the pressure. The bottom then explodes with golden oil and I go through another can before the butane starts running clear. I wouldn't recommend using a pipe that was wider than 1 " just because then the butane might not pick up the oil on the sides of the top part. Also, you can pack the pipe as tight as you like. It's probably better to pack it tight, because that will help in pressurizing the inside.

This method is the SHIT! What comes out is very pure and beutiful. I have isomerized the oil which turned it a much deeper red color and am now evaporating off the acetic anhydride after acetylating it.

This method ought to work great with any other non-polar goodie including DMT and salvorin A. I'll check this post later if anybody has any questions.

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 Re: Better hash oil extraction
    
If you are using crystally buds, then there is no point in isomerizing because there is such a low ratio of other cannibinoids to THC. In fact, you'll probably hurt your yield. Isomerizing is best used after extracting cannibinoids from leaf. Mkay...

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i agree with all the above, except i know nothing about isomerization. I just want add that i've been extracting oil in the samr pvc pipe for over 12 mths and it's still ok. I always use a medium fiter at the exit end. I will try blocking the end at the beginning of the process in future (later today in fact). In oz , four paks of gas can be got at most hardware stores in the camping sections ,also at k-mart and also even cheeper at sunday markets. I recently got 35 220g tins for $50, Mr Wong raised his eyebrow but that's all. Also is you read my post from yesterday in general you'll all see how to make hash which is much easier to handle. But it's IMMPERATIVE THAT ANYONE THAT IS GRINDING UP THEIR HOOCH USE THE DUST LEFT BEHIND ION THE GRINDING M/C as this is the absolute cooota gear, on a par with the oil.
see youse
PS. if anyone out there is selling dope (god forbid) and there's some arsehole you hate or has burned you in the past you can put you primo buds through the tube, take all the goodies out and then flog them what looks like the real deal. Now i've never done this 'cause i love everyone but....................